tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-858388442726519896.post8100438676803463404..comments2024-02-03T06:48:02.019-08:00Comments on Royal Descent: {24} RD600 Additions: Baroness Marie (née Howard) von Recum & Lt-Col. Derik von RecumBrad Verityhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12625952433525136026noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-858388442726519896.post-24200363161896095372016-07-23T06:56:36.528-07:002016-07-23T06:56:36.528-07:00Post updated to include a genealogical details on ...Post updated to include a genealogical details on Baroness Marie and her three sons, as well as photos from Marie's diaries in the Howard-von Recum Collection at the Library of Congress. My thanks to the staff of the Manuscript Reading Room in the Madison Building of the Library of Congress for their assistance in providing me access to Marie's diaries.Brad Verityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12625952433525136026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-858388442726519896.post-32098561260461777702015-05-15T21:53:24.181-07:002015-05-15T21:53:24.181-07:00I found a descent from Plantagenet king Henry III ...I found a descent from Plantagenet king Henry III of England, through an illegitimate son of Eberhard I of Württemberg (1445-1496), to Sophie Hedwig von Veltheim (1607-1667), wife of Marie Ernestine's ancestor Achaz II von der Schulenberg. John's main point - that these Prussian gentry families do not appear to marry outside their group until the late 18th & 19th centuries - still holds. It simply turns out that one of these Prussian gentry families descends from a southern German nobleman's bastard son.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05072047758568416225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-858388442726519896.post-28987588817296102222015-05-08T11:17:40.741-07:002015-05-08T11:17:40.741-07:00Marie Ernestine Howard's grandmother (for whom...Marie Ernestine Howard's grandmother (for whom she was named), Marie Ernestine von der Schulenberg, has a considerable ancestry in the Roglo database. It consists largely of old Prussian noble and gentry families This particular class is distinctive in that it did not appear to marry much outside its group until quite late (18th or 19th century). Thus, unlike most German families, there are no connections with other German areas which would usually lead to Plantagenet connections. Accordingly, Marie Ernestine von der Schulenberg does not appear to have any Plantagenet ancestry - somewhat unusual for a 19th-century German family with a well-documented ancestry.John Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02148472834111731062noreply@blogger.com